Sixteen game on the multiplayer slow game server

[wobbly]

By the way: I run into an strange bug at turn 12. Suddenly my home world produces 5 IP instead of 3 IP. The meter shows: +3 IP for Imperial Palace and +5 unknown
As I run my 2nd PC it's not possible for me to take a snapshot (which would show to much of my master plan, actually). Maybe geoff can watch that as observer and tell me what's going on.

I have this too.
Random guess, someone took Propaganda broadcasts and it's giving everyone the bonus.

Edit: In fact I can see that Oberlus took it on turn 10 and that I'm up to +4 on turn 14

[Oberlus]

Random guess, someone took Propaganda broadcasts and it's giving everyone the bonus.

I guess you are right. FOCS code doesn't differentiate by owner of policy and capital:
https://github.com/freeorion/freeorion/ ... cs.txt#L11

[LienRag]

Propaganda broadcast was added, but you'll need to open a social slot via either architectural psychology or mind in the void.

That should solve the balance problem indeed.

Well, bummer !

[LienRag]

Random guess, someone took Propaganda broadcasts and it's giving everyone the bonus.

Edit: In fact I can see that Oberlus took it on turn 10 and that I'm up to +4 on turn 14

How can you see that ?

[LienRag]

Guessing most people took centralization. I didn't because, well, reasons.

BTW pedia says Centralization gives a bonus of 0,1 per pop for both Industry and Research (so I didn't take it either) but apparently the code makes it 0,5 per pop ? That's quite a difference and I would have played very differently if the pedia was accurate...

[wobbly]

Random guess, someone took Propaganda broadcasts and it's giving everyone the bonus.

Edit: In fact I can see that Oberlus took it on turn 10 and that I'm up to +4 on turn 14

How can you see that ?

right clicking on someones empire in the empire window shows their research techs and also policies. It probably shouldn't, but apparently there are technical difficulties hiding the information.

[wobbly]

Guessing most people took centralization. I didn't because, well, reasons.

BTW pedia says Centralization gives a bonus of 0,1 per pop for both Industry and Research (so I didn't take it either) but apparently the code makes it 0,5 per pop ? That's quite a difference and I would have played very differently if the pedia was accurate...

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0.5 * [[INDUSTRY_PER_POP]])

0.5 * industry_per_pop is not 0.5 per pop. industry_per_pop is = 0.2 per pop

[Oberlus]

0.5 * industry_per_pop is not 0.5 per pop. industry_per_pop is = 0.2 per pop

Right.

To be more specific:

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                SetTargetIndustry value = Value + Target.Population
                    * (NamedReal name = "PLC_CENTRALIZATION_TARGET_INDUSTRY_PERPOP"
                                 value = 0.5 * [[INDUSTRY_PER_POP]])

That is adding planet's population * 0.5 * INDUSTRY_PER_POP (which is a macro in common/base_prod.macros that values 0.2).
Documentation can't be wrong on this anymore because it gets the value from Named Value PLC_CENTRALIZATION_TARGET_INDUSTRY_PERPOP, which is calculated in that code, and it no longer depends on coders updating the values in the stringtables.

[Oberlus]

By the way: I run into an strange bug at turn 12. Suddenly my home world produces 5 IP instead of 3 IP. The meter shows: +3 IP for Imperial Palace and +5 unknown
As I run my 2nd PC it's not possible for me to take a snapshot (which would show to much of my master plan, actually). Maybe geoff can watch that as observer and tell me what's going on.

I have this too.
Random guess, someone took Propaganda broadcasts and it's giving everyone the bonus.

Edit: In fact I can see that Oberlus took it on turn 10 and that I'm up to +4 on turn 14

Geoff fixed this by giving the +5 only to policy owner, +1 to allied empires, and -1 to enemy empires (in both cases iff they don't have adopted the policy themselves).

[LienRag]

Geoff fixed this by giving the +5 only to policy owner, +1 to allied empires, and -1 to enemy empires (in both cases iff they don't have adopted the policy themselves).

This change won't affect the current game I guess ?

[Geoff the Medio]

This change won't affect the current game I guess ?

Not until the server updates with that change.

[LienRag]

So that update is planned ?

Any idea about when ?

That would certainly impact the research path that most players will take...

[o01eg]

So that update is planned ?

Any idea about when ?

That would certainly impact the research path that most players will take...

No, if we need to update server then we should also restart the game.

[Oberlus]

I pressume danyspin97 is having a hectic life / out of breath.

[LienRag]

So that update is planned ?

No, if we need to update server then we should also restart the game.

OK, thanks for the info.