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Re: Eleventh game on the multiplayer slow game server

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2020 10:16 am
by Magnate
The Bionic Pot Collective, in celebration of our new name, would like it to be known that we love everybody. We are therefore the Hippy Bionic Pot Collective. Except the mean people who destroyed our friends' ship. Definitely want to sort that out. And guess what, the universe is too small again and we met our neighbours within a few months. But we love them all so it's all good. Peace man!

Re: Eleventh game on the multiplayer slow game server

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2020 10:43 am
by Oberlus
Magnate wrote: Thu Jul 09, 2020 10:16 amExcept the mean people who destroyed our friends' ship. Definitely want to sort that out.
Hey! Your friend shot first, in our space (within our supply)! We had to defend ourselves!
Plus we offered compensation, but they declined it.
So, we not only have to suffer the aggressive relentlessness of our pirate neighbors but also their further away hippy walking pots?
Oh, well... Galaxy is unfair, we shall make it a better place by ourselves.
Farewell!

Re: Eleventh game on the multiplayer slow game server

Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2020 5:40 pm
by Hyperant
Ally vision sure does work in mysterious ways

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Re: Eleventh game on the multiplayer slow game server

Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:27 am
by Oberlus
Magnate wrote: Thu Jul 09, 2020 10:16 amPeace man!
Did you fall asleep in the hippy way? One hour for you to miss a turn!

Re: Eleventh game on the multiplayer slow game server

Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:16 pm
by AndrewW
Oberlus wrote: Thu Jul 09, 2020 10:43 am Hey! Your friend shot first, in our space (within our supply)! We had to defend ourselves!
Until the edited version, then you shot first.

Re: Eleventh game on the multiplayer slow game server

Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:14 pm
by o01eg
The server was updated to 2020-07-10.f3d403e 0.4.10Release Candidate 1.

Re: Eleventh game on the multiplayer slow game server

Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:20 am
by Hyperant
Justice has been served


The Ensign's Gazette


Battle Analysis of the Battle of Sonne



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Several weeks after the loss of the frigate the Snap, the Abyssal Commonwealth made their first move, attempting to occupy the system of Sonne where preparations were being made to establish a forward operating pirate base. However, their intentions were leaked by an insider source, alerting the raider fleet that was already within the system to take up advantageous positions over the outermost planet, a gas giant with one major moon.

As soon as their forces jumped into the system, the broadside guns from both the 5th rate frigate the Heisenburg as well as the 3rd rate cruiser the Resnick immediately opened fire, dealing a devastating first strike that immediately detonated one of their frigates, with the loss of all hands.

The remaining frigate struggled to exchange fire, managing to lightly damage both ships stationed before she herself was disabled by precise shots to the power generation section. The two ships then closed the distance, with intent to board the ship. As the two ships grappled to the lone frigate, the boarding action began. Despite quite a valiant last stand, the defense crews were quickly overwhelmed and the ship was under our control.

All their remaining crew, including the captain of the frigate, were captured and the ship was now being towed to the nearest repair station to be requisitioned as one of our own. However, in an act of sabotage done by its own crew, the frigate's magazines cooked off and due to the close proximity of our ships, they suffered extensive damage to the exterior. Upon this act happening, the Commonwealth crew were promptly made to walk the plank, and by that, they were quickly ejected out of the airlock, the captain included.

So much for that ransom money but an example had to be made. These ships aint cheap to build and maintain.


Arrrrgh!

Re: Eleventh game on the multiplayer slow game server

Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2020 8:28 am
by Oberlus
Correction: pirate cruiser got to that system at the same turn than abyssal frigs. We are now instructing our scouts how to do their job...

Re: Eleventh game on the multiplayer slow game server

Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:17 am
by Oberlus
Magnate, are you out in a canoe trip or something?

Re: Eleventh game on the multiplayer slow game server

Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 5:50 pm
by Oberlus
This game is being extremely slow. Magnate, too much work? Covid-19 related?

Re: Eleventh game on the multiplayer slow game server

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:44 am
by Magnate
I did miss one turn, sorry about that folks. Work is pretty hard but I'm not feeling that the game is slow - sorry if others are.

I am really really annoyed though - allied supply is totally broken. I reported this bug at least a year or two ago and I thought it was fixed. My ally and I each have an outpost in a system we share - well, his is now a colony while mine is not finished yet - and now I can't finish it because my supply no longer connects. Bug bug bug bug bug. Really really irritating.

Now going to spend nine hours wondering what to spend unexpected PP on, and eight turns sending a capital ship there to connect my supply (which may or may not ruin supply for him).

Does anyone know whether allied supply is still being worked on, or should I reopen my old issue on github?

Re: Eleventh game on the multiplayer slow game server

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 8:29 am
by Oberlus
Magnate wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:44 am I did miss one turn, sorry about that folks.
You missed two turns, IIRC (it was 3.5 turns in three days of a weekend).

I am really really annoyed though - allied supply is totally broken. I reported this bug at least a year or two ago and I thought it was fixed. My ally and I each have an outpost in a system we share - well, his is now a colony while mine is not finished yet - and now I can't finish it because my supply no longer connects. Bug bug bug bug bug. Really really irritating.

Now going to spend nine hours wondering what to spend unexpected PP on, and eight turns sending a capital ship there to connect my supply (which may or may not ruin supply for him).

Does anyone know whether allied supply is still being worked on, or should I reopen my old issue on github?
TL:DR
Allied supply works fine for repairs and building connection (you can have a BHG in one supply group and be connected to your other supply group through your ally's supply).
It does not work for PP connection.

Here is your report: https://github.com/freeorion/freeorion/issues/2905
No need to reopen it because it was never closed. But it doesn't talk about PP propagation but about supply-connection of buildings (BHG, Enclave, etc.). If you reread your comments and answers in there, you'll remember that PP propagation does not work either:
Current implementation does not allow to propagate PP through allied supply. There is a single supply owner on each starlane, so a single owner of PPs in that supply. If you put your PP in the supply of your ally, there are no rules to allow for distribution of those PPs between your ally projects and yours, so game doesn't allow it. System would require to support more than one supply owner per starlane and system, which won't happen any time soon. So you have to workaround that:
- Colonize with colony ships (they have fuel supply from your ally so no range problems from that).
- Gift planets (so that your ally finishes them before returning them to you).
- Do not share systems (keep one single supply group for each of you).
- Use Stockpile.

Re: Eleventh game on the multiplayer slow game server

Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 8:23 pm
by Magnate
Sorry, when I said allied supply is broken I didn't mean I expected my PP to propagate through my ally's supply, I get the reasons for not having that.

I meant that shared systems should provide supply to both empires. I remember quite a long exchange with Geoff on this where he explained the mechanics of tie-breakers, and concluded that this could be done. I thought it had been. Not sure if it's that ticket or a different one.

"Do not share systems" is not an acceptable answer for a credible multiplayer space strategy game, IMO.

Re: Eleventh game on the multiplayer slow game server

Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:59 am
by Ophiuchus
Magnate wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 8:23 pm I meant that shared systems should provide supply to both empires. I remember quite a long exchange with Geoff on this where he explained the mechanics of tie-breakers, and concluded that this could be done. I thought it had been. Not sure if it's that ticket or a different one.
You mean overlapping supply for allies?

Re: Eleventh game on the multiplayer slow game server

Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:01 pm
by Magnate
Ophiuchus wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:59 am
Magnate wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 8:23 pm I meant that shared systems should provide supply to both empires. I remember quite a long exchange with Geoff on this where he explained the mechanics of tie-breakers, and concluded that this could be done. I thought it had been. Not sure if it's that ticket or a different one.
You mean overlapping supply for allies?
Depends what you mean by 'overlapping'!

Currently each system is a member of only one supply network (or none). This clearly doesn't work for allies sharing systems, as their PP needs to be available in the shared system. For good reasons we do not allow PP to propagate through allied supply. So the only way for both allies to have PP available in the shared system is if the system is a member of both supply networks. This is what I think FO absolutely needs to implement to allow mp games to work properly.