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Thoughtful development, Turns 2..13

Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:44 pm
by Uriuk
Previous topic:
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Here we see, that not all space regions have stars:
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This changes the model of galaxy from previous turn.
There can be not 357, but more regions connected with star lines,
because regions can be empty, and 357 is number of stars.
Also, the number of starlines per region is not 4 in average.
Now it is 2,5 (5 starlines per 2 space regions).
This reduces the need in scouts, and increase the need in outposts.

Re: Thoughtful development, Turn 2

Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:53 pm
by swaq
Oberlus wrote: Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:24 am Please, don't open a thread for each turn, that could be hundreds of threads.
And you went and did it anyway.....

Re: Thoughtful development, Turn 2

Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:59 pm
by Oberlus
Uriuk wrote: Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:44 pm There can be not 357, but more regions connected with star lines,
because regions can be empty, and 357 is number of stars.
The number you set in the galaxy setup refers to number of star system spaces, that can end up completely empty. So you can expect 357 spots in total.

Re: Thoughtful development, Turn 2

Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:00 pm
by Oberlus
swaq wrote: Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:53 pm
Oberlus wrote: Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:24 am Please, don't open a thread for each turn, that could be hundreds of threads.
And you went and did it anyway.....
Let's see how this goes. If it clutter the forum we can merge threads post-mortem.

How to automate galaxy model calculations?

Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:32 pm
by Uriuk
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There is a command "Debug Data Dump" in the list of planets, which write data about selected planet into "Messages" window.

I want something similar in the window "Empires". I want a command, which will execute my script on some popular language (i.e. JavaScript), and that script should made all calculations it want, and write output into "Messages" window.

Or may be there should be some interactive console, like in Blender with it's Python scripting.

Addind stars and buildings into visible objects, i received the following:
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We can see starline numbers in debug dump (they are the same, as id-s of unknown spots)

Also, I don't see a way to change default widths of columns in the "Objects" window.
Upd: found it:

Re: Thoughtful development, Turn 2

Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:50 pm
by defaultuser
Nebulae can coalesce into new star systems, so empty spaces now might not be later.

Will it help to block the empty star spot?

Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 9:56 pm
by Uriuk
Do I need to produce "Corvette M" ship, to prevent space floaters in the empty spot?
As fast as possible it will take 4 turns together with the Scout.
Floaters will start they floating only from turn 10, so I will have time to build one or more "Corvette M" ships before that.
Yes, I will not see these floater because of low detection,
but I have an idea that game mechanics use only the fact of spot blockade by warship, not visibility.
I.e. if spot is blocked by any warship, "Floater" will not born there.

But this will postpone building the Automated History Analyser, and reduce total science by ~6? RP (18 Cr).

Re: Thoughtful development, Turn 2

Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:29 pm
by defaultuser
You already have a warship. As you note, you can't even detect a floater. They aren't even present in all games. A warship you build won't be better than the one you already have. It would be a waste of PP at time when you need to build other things.

Re: Thoughtful development, Turn 2

Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:08 am
by Uriuk
> You already have a warship.
Existing warship is already on another mission. It will fly further, like the first scout and probably will not return back.
> As you note, you can't even detect a floater.
I explained why i think that is not important.
> They aren't even present in all games.
My game have a high probability of monster birth
> A warship you build won't be better than the one you already have.
But it will be more cheap, and will be able to perform this second mission in addition to the mission of already existing ship.
> It would be a waste of PP at time when you need to build other things.
But I have no yet any specific goals, I just invest production points into ships of different types. My fleet have no yet troopships, for example.

Re: Thoughtful development, Turn 2

Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:46 am
by Oberlus
Uriuk wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:08 am> It would be a waste of PP at time when you need to build other things.
But I have no yet any specific goals, I just invest production points into ships of different types. My fleet have no yet troopships, for example.
First priority for now, with no enemies on sight, is for increasing production/research, so the artificial brain or an outpost ship would probably be much better.

Re: Thoughtful development, Turn 2

Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:58 am
by defaultuser
Your priority build (in my opinion) starting next turn is the History Analyzer. That will eat up a lot of PP during the build. Do not waste time and production on a nearly useless warship. I don't know what mission the frigate is on, but it doesn't justify building another. Especially not to park at an empty junction, even if you're correct about that preventing generation (I'm not sure). There might be more empty spaces that you will discover next turn. You going to build a warship for each?

Re: Thoughtful development, Turn 2

Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:43 am
by defaultuser
As I noted here: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11471&p=98911#p98911

I will try to play along.

Turn 2: No changes to the queues, no exploration ships have reached a target.

Note, I think you should pick up the pace, as a turn every few days will make your game last several months.

Re: Thoughtful development, Turn 2

Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:42 am
by swaq
defaultuser wrote: Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:43 am Note, I think you should pick up the pace, as a turn every few days will make your game last several months years.
Fixed :shock:

Re: Thoughtful development, Turn 2

Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 5:05 am
by defaultuser
swaq wrote: Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:42 am
defaultuser wrote: Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:43 am Note, I think you should pick up the pace, as a turn every few days will make your game last several months years.
Fixed :shock:
Heh.

Re: Thoughtful development, Turn 2

Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 5:20 am
by Uriuk
defaultuser wrote: Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:43 am I will try to play along.
May be it's better to setup a public server (one more), to allow to view the current situation?
I have no knowledge (yet? now?) to do that.