Balance liberty/conformance

[wobbly]

In my experience from MP games everyone takes liberty and no one takes conformance. This is because +2 RP/planet is better then -2 RP/planet. Conformance is effectively -4 RP as dropping liberty to take it is a net loss of 4. I suggest dropping the bonus/malus to +/- 1

[LienRag]

Then wouldn't everybody take Conformance ?

[wobbly]

Then wouldn't everybody take Conformance ?

Why?

I suspect liberty is usually stronger even without the +RP.

[ThinkSome]

I doubt it is possible to reach 20 stability without *2 content opinion effect of liberty. Meaning that liberty is mandatory for the bonuses requiring high stability.

[wobbly]

Idea 2: Liberty keeps the +2 RP, but only when research focused.
Conformance keeps the -2 RP (unfocused) but gains a flat +5 stability.

[Oberlus]

Idea 2: Liberty keeps the +2 RP, but only when research focused.
Conformance keeps the -2 RP (unfocused) but gains a flat +5 stability.

I like this one. Maybe the RP bonus for Liberty not flat but depending on stability: (stability-10)/5, with minimum stability 10, so to get +2 need stability 20.

[Grummel7]

I doubt it is possible to reach 20 stability without *2 content opinion effect of liberty. Meaning that liberty is mandatory for the bonuses requiring high stability.

Combining Indoctrination with Bureaucracy can give you +15, Gaia may add another 5.

[wobbly]

I doubt it is possible to reach 20 stability without *2 content opinion effect of liberty. Meaning that liberty is mandatory for the bonuses requiring high stability.

Combining Indoctrination with Bureaucracy can give you +15, Gaia may add another 5.

Oh, I'm surprised. Is this tested? What is the order of operations for Indoctrination, I'd been assuming it was coming in last.

Also noticed my above idea is an improved version of divine authority.

[wobbly]

Looked at indoctrination in .focs and then reread the description. This is easy to misunderstand:

"Increases Target stability over time. The bonus grows by 0.25, up to a maximum of 10"

Literally correct, however its easy to read that as up to 10 target stability, instead of up to +10 stability.

[LienRag]

"Increases Target stability over time. The bonus grows by 0.25, up to a maximum of 10"

Literally correct, however its easy to read that as up to 10 target stability, instead of up to +10 stability.

So it's +10 instead of "up to 10" ?
That's indeed a huge difference...

[Oberlus]

So it's +10 instead of "up to 10" ?

"Up to +10" instead of "up to 10" ?

[wobbly]

So it's +10 instead of "up to 10" ?

"Up to +10" instead of "up to 10" ?

Yeah, probably just needs the plus sign

[Grummel7]

Well, it says the bonus grows... up to a maximum of 10. That was pretty clear to me.
I can't hurt to add a plus sign, though.

[LienRag]

Idea 2: Liberty keeps the +2 RP, but only when research focused.
Conformance keeps the -2 RP (unfocused) but gains a flat +5 stability.

I like this one. Maybe the RP bonus for Liberty not flat but depending on stability: (stability-10)/5, with minimum stability 10, so to get +2 need stability 20.

I don't like the Research-focused limitation, but depending on Stability is on par for the fluff.
I wouldn't use a minimum though, so probably a (slowly) exponential formula ? Or (1+Stability/30)²-1 ?

[wobbly]

Ok another idea:

Liberty: Keeps Research bonus. Replace flat -2 stability with -1 stability/policy as policies are "government interference"

Conformance: No research penalty, it clashes with a bunch of good stuff anyway (Liberty, Diversity, Artisans Workshop) and you are already losing out on the liberty research bonus. Conformance becomes a simple policy for those looking to minimize the extra hassle of the government/policy game.

Edit: You could also make liberty +1 RP/5 stability, if high stability became harder to achieve with it adopted.