planet special icons
- The Silent One
- Graphics
- Posts: 1129
- Joined: Tue Jul 01, 2003 8:27 pm
planet special icons
Techtonic instability
128*128
32*32
Minerals
Natural Tunnels
Starvation
Excentric Orbit
(before black background)
128*128
32*32
Minerals
Natural Tunnels
Starvation
Excentric Orbit
(before black background)
Last edited by The Silent One on Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:18 pm, edited 1 time in total.
- eleazar
- Design & Graphics Lead Emeritus
- Posts: 3858
- Joined: Sat Sep 23, 2006 7:09 pm
- Location: USA — midwest
Of course, any icons are an improvement over no icons, so thanks for doing these. Don't be afraid to post work you're not yet completely satisfied with.
However since these are all planetary specials, i think the idea of showing a planet (as in mineral richness) is not always a good idea. Mineral richness for instance could be represented much more clearly by showing simply the mineral icon. Extreme mineral richness could be indicated by 2 or 3 mineral icons grouped together. The same pattern should work for any planetary special that simply increases a basic resource.
For the color, i would suggest something like this: (originally created for Wesnoth)
The color for an individual special would vary between bright green (for very good) and bright red (for very bad). Very weak or evenly balanced specials would be more-or-less grey. This would allow good at-a-glance evaluation of specials.
However since these are all planetary specials, i think the idea of showing a planet (as in mineral richness) is not always a good idea. Mineral richness for instance could be represented much more clearly by showing simply the mineral icon. Extreme mineral richness could be indicated by 2 or 3 mineral icons grouped together. The same pattern should work for any planetary special that simply increases a basic resource.
For the color, i would suggest something like this: (originally created for Wesnoth)
The color for an individual special would vary between bright green (for very good) and bright red (for very bad). Very weak or evenly balanced specials would be more-or-less grey. This would allow good at-a-glance evaluation of specials.
- The Silent One
- Graphics
- Posts: 1129
- Joined: Tue Jul 01, 2003 8:27 pm
-
- Audio Lead Emeritus
- Posts: 188
- Joined: Fri Jul 25, 2003 1:52 pm
- Location: Cincinnati OH, USA
Well the semi quasi somewhat standard thing is to have a a small number of discreet grades, Very Poor to Poor to Average to Rich to Very Rich, occasionally with Ultra Poor and Ultra Rich or something... I don't know if FO is doing the same but it's a fair guess for those willing to listen to a talking mongoose (which, just fyi, you should never do, b/c there's no such thing as a talking mongoose...).
- eleazar
- Design & Graphics Lead Emeritus
- Posts: 3858
- Joined: Sat Sep 23, 2006 7:09 pm
- Location: USA — midwest
There's no final list of planetary specials, but IIRC all the Orions had more than one level, and i have heard no-one suggest it was a bad thing.The Silent One wrote:Are there gradual differences in resource richness?eleazar wrote:Extreme mineral richness could be indicated by 2 or 3 mineral icons grouped together.
- Geoff the Medio
- Programming, Design, Admin
- Posts: 13603
- Joined: Wed Oct 08, 2003 1:33 am
- Location: Munich
...
There could also be semi-standard icon shapes, outlines or backgrounds. A circle might be good or neutral, a triangle a warning of bad or caution, a square good. Maybe a diamond or star pattern could be in there as well. The particular icon could have its particulars over top of the background, overflowing the edges...eleazar wrote:Extreme mineral richness could be indicated by 2 or 3 mineral icons grouped together. The same pattern should work for any planetary special that simply increases a basic resource.
...
The color for an individual special would vary between bright green (for very good) and bright red (for very bad). Very weak or evenly balanced specials would be more-or-less grey. This would allow good at-a-glance evaluation of specials.
- eleazar
- Design & Graphics Lead Emeritus
- Posts: 3858
- Joined: Sat Sep 23, 2006 7:09 pm
- Location: USA — midwest
Re: ...
It could be that way, if it was important to use color for some other purpose. I would have like to use color to indicate the category of the special, but since some specials effect lots of meters, that won't work.Geoff the Medio wrote:There could also be semi-standard icon shapes, outlines or backgrounds. A circle might be good or neutral, a triangle a warning of bad or caution, a square good. Maybe a diamond or star pattern could be in there as well. The particular icon could have its particulars over top of the background, overflowing the edges...eleazar wrote:Extreme mineral richness could be indicated by 2 or 3 mineral icons grouped together. The same pattern should work for any planetary special that simply increases a basic resource.
...
The color for an individual special would vary between bright green (for very good) and bright red (for very bad). Very weak or evenly balanced specials would be more-or-less grey. This would allow good at-a-glance evaluation of specials.
"Green=Good" is certainly more intuitive that "Square=Good"
- Geoff the Medio
- Programming, Design, Admin
- Posts: 13603
- Joined: Wed Oct 08, 2003 1:33 am
- Location: Munich
Re: ...
The shaped backgrounds could and was meant to be in addition to colour, not to replace it.eleazar wrote:It could be that way, if it was important to use color for some other purpose. I would have like to use color to indicate the category of the special, but since some specials effect lots of meters, that won't work.
"Green=Good" is certainly more intuitive that "Square=Good"
That said, having all good specials be green might be limiting... Various icons might be odd-looking if forced to be green instead of their more natural colours. Having the icons be various colours would also make them easier to identify.
Perhaps the background could be coloured and shaped to indicate quality of the special, but the overlaid specific image / object could be of any colour.
Square = Good might not be obviously, but what about Circle = Good, Square = Neutral, Triangle = Semi-Bad (isoceles, wide base, like traffic warning sign) .... ?
Edit: also, it'd be good if the specials worked when shown smaller than 32x32, which is a fairly large size for an icon of this sort. Rather than a planet outline with a smaller graphic inside, the distinctive graphic should dominate, so that when scaled down, it's still the most prominent part of the icon...
- The Silent One
- Graphics
- Posts: 1129
- Joined: Tue Jul 01, 2003 8:27 pm
Re: ...
I agree, most of the icons above don't work below 32x32, so I'll overhaul most of them.Geoff the Medio wrote:Edit: also, it'd be good if the specials worked when shown smaller than 32x32, which is a fairly large size for an icon of this sort. Rather than a planet outline with a smaller graphic inside, the distinctive graphic should dominate, so that when scaled down, it's still the most prominent part of the icon...
Edit: new attempt at
techtonic instability
Obviously, the icon border is broken, but otherwise I don't see how image content can be made distinguishable at 16x16. Also, some color must be applied to make the icon stand out in front of the background, so I'd like to have the icon colored by the artist (meaning I concur with Geoff).
With color:
(maybe yellow-red would be better, thinking of magma)
Edit: no, still not happy with that. Next generation of icons:
Excentric orbit
Minerals
Natural tunnels
Slow Rotation
Solid Core
Starvation
Techtonic instability
- The Silent One
- Graphics
- Posts: 1129
- Joined: Tue Jul 01, 2003 8:27 pm
- Geoff the Medio
- Programming, Design, Admin
- Posts: 13603
- Joined: Wed Oct 08, 2003 1:33 am
- Location: Munich
Some of the features are a bit hard to see, including the arrowheads for slow rotation aren't clear, the surface opening / connection on tunnels, the arrowhead on techtonic, and the orbit line of eccentric.The Silent One wrote:I'd appreciate some input on the icons. Do they carry over their meaning? Are they looking okay at 16x16?
I think 24x24 might be a better size to shoot for. 16x16 is just too tiny to make things clear.
Also, I wouldn't put too much effort into making specific icons for the specials in the text files now, which are just ones I made up without much thought. We should probably have a separate discussion about what sorts of specials, what degrees of specials, how many, etc., and reach some conclusions in that before actually writing semi-final specials (and spending lots of time on art).
Actually trying to make realistic specials is good though, as it better determines what does or doesn't work, and we can probably use anything that gets made for something else later.
- eleazar
- Design & Graphics Lead Emeritus
- Posts: 3858
- Joined: Sat Sep 23, 2006 7:09 pm
- Location: USA — midwest
I agree with this.Geoff the Medio wrote:Some of the features are a bit hard to see, including the arrowheads for slow rotation aren't clear, the surface opening / connection on tunnels, the arrowhead on techtonic, and the orbit line of eccentric.The Silent One wrote:I'd appreciate some input on the icons. Do they carry over their meaning? Are they looking okay at 16x16?
I think 24x24 might be a better size to shoot for. 16x16 is just too tiny to make things clear.
Also, I wouldn't put too much effort into making specific icons for the specials in the text files now, which are just ones I made up without much thought. We should probably have a separate discussion about what sorts of specials, what degrees of specials, how many, etc., and reach some conclusions in that before actually writing semi-final specials (and spending lots of time on art).
Actually trying to make realistic specials is good though, as it better determines what does or doesn't work, and we can probably use anything that gets made for something else later.
As general comments on making icons i'd advise that the outline be considered as a major feature in the icon's identity.
- The Silent One
- Graphics
- Posts: 1129
- Joined: Tue Jul 01, 2003 8:27 pm
Re: planet special icons
I've revised some of the special icons minimizing details. Size is 24x24.
Feedback would be appreciated.
Solid Core
Techtonic instability
Tidal Lock
Feedback would be appreciated.
Solid Core
Techtonic instability
Tidal Lock
If I provided any images, code, scripts or other content here, it's released under GPL 2.0 and CC-BY-SA 3.0.
- eleazar
- Design & Graphics Lead Emeritus
- Posts: 3858
- Joined: Sat Sep 23, 2006 7:09 pm
- Location: USA — midwest
Re: planet special icons
I'm not sure how obvious the concepts or (or if it is even possible to make them obvious) but the rendering style makes them more discernible.The Silent One wrote:I've revised some of the special icons minimizing details. Size is 24x24.
Feedback would be appreciated.
Solid Core
Techtonic instability
Tidal Lock
You might need to use lighter colors or a light rim for these to be noticed against a mostly black background.